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Month: November 2019

Mr. James Goodall’s Bob Lazar Testimony

The Lazar topic is still very hot at the moment, and I wanted to write an addendum to my previous post, but new testimony from Mr. James Goodall presented by Richard Dolan was released last week. So I will address this. The full length of this testimony is provided:

There are several problems with this testimony. I have provided time-stamped links below of the following issues I found.


“Bob Lazar’s story has never changed… Even when it was financially to his benefit to exaggerate.” (19m31s)

As my previous post showed, this sentiment is demonstrably false. And as I found recently, Linda Moulton Howe was told by Lazar that he never graduated MIT nor Cal Tech – a total 180 from previous claims. This is just one example. (timestamp below)


“Bob gave me a copy of his W-2. Bob’s a friend of mine. I met Bob before he went to work out in the desert” (18m18s)

Here we go again with the W-2, which is proven to be a major problem.

Notice the “employer” section is filled out with the “United States Department of Naval Intelligence”. The fact of the matter is, there is no such agency and never has been. Some might try to argue that this is the Office of Naval Intelligence, but that argument is unsound because if that were true, this W-2 would be an invalid document.

Another issue with this document is the $958.11 annual wage. Even in the 80s, that certainly isn’t enough income for a “Senior Scientist” on a black project for six months.


“When George Knapp went to Albuquerque to investigation Bob’s background, he said he worked at Sandia Labs. Knapp found his name in the phone book.”

It is true that Bob worked at Los Alamos National Labs, and it’s true that his name is in the same phone book… but it’s also clear that in the phone book, he worked at Kirk Mayer indicated by a K/M notation. Problem: Kirk Mayer did not employ scientists at Los Alamos. This was verified by many sources, including Friedman.


“He said he saw referencing to… they call them the kids. The greys aren’t very big, but there are posters, uh, in the hallways and stuff like that. But he never saw an alien…” (29m30s)

Two problems with this: It’s not mentioned anywhere in the autobiography or any other reference from Lazar testimony that there were posters about aliens. Secondly, it is totally absurd that classified material of any nature would be posted on the walls of a secured facility, much less information about aliens. It’s as if this person knows nothing about security.


Mr. Goodall claims that there’s a conversation between Ben Rich (Lockheed Skunk Works) and John Andrews “We have things out in the desert that is 50 years beyond what you can comprehend”. “If you’ve seen movies like Star Trek or Star Wars, we’ve been there and done that, or decided it wasn’t worth the effort.” (37m40s)

When Mr. Goodall asks a “Bill” character “Do you believe in UFOs?” his alleged response is “We have things out in the desert that would make George Lucas envious. Another guy said ‘Stephen Spielberg’ [would be envious]”. (38m45s)

Of course, none of these witnesses can be corroborated for various reasons (deceased, or won’t go on the record). The major problem with this is… if it were true, and Mr. Goodall doesn’t have a need-to-know, it would be a grave violation of security by said all parties. I find it difficult to swallow that these so-called deep black projects would be openly discussed.

Final Remarks

And lastly… Mr. Goodall says he believes we have the technology to “get from one end of the universe to the other.(56m00s) This statement is so beyond science as to be completely laughable. It’s one of those “it’s so wrong that it’s not even wrong”. We don’t even know the size of the universe (observable universe and space-time limitation), much less come even close to imagining such a technology.

Why is this so-called testimony coming out 30 years later? Where has Mr. Goodall been all this time? And if this is to be believed, why isn’t the government erasing his history like they did with Bob? Ultimately, Mr. Goodall may not be lying, but it’s clear from his statements that he received this information from second- and third- handed witnesses (Ben Rich and John Lear) and has bought into the Bob Lazar fraud.


Bonus problem:

“He had a supercomputer in his office … It was probably equivalent of an iPhone 6 today back in ’88”. (24m40s)

Problem: This is so outlandish, even Dolan (the interviewer) doesn’t believe it. Remember, Lazar had issues with money (citation needed).

But more importantly, in 1988 the highest-end commercial processor money could buy was the 80386 which ran at 40 MHz. An iPhone 6 runs a dual-core 1.4 GHz processor. This is laughable from a computer scientist’s perspective and calls into question the naivety of Mr. Goodall.

The Bob Lazar Fraud

Sincerity is not a check on truth.”

Stanton Friedman

I didn’t think the Bob Lazar story would pop up again in the UFO field after being thoroughly rejected by many major researchers, but it appears there is still a lot of money to be made of fantastical tales.

The sad part of this is that, despite being thoroughly debunked by scientists and UFO researchers, To the Stars (TTSA) has decided, of all the possible UFO stories, to publish Lazar’s autobiography. What worse, TTSA tried to covertly publish it. But this post is not about TTSA, it’s about how we know based on evidence that Lazar is a complete fraud.

Stanton Friedman began an investigation in the early days and provided plenty of evidence back then to conclude Lazar’s fraud, so I believe this excerpt is appropriate for a first “glimpse” into these lies. My favorite takeaway from this clip (and one I believe others should take to heart): “I got people telling me, ‘I don’t see why you don’t believe him. He seems so Sincere’. Sincerity is not a check on truth“.

The other major investigator in the early days is a non-Ufologist, Area-51 expert and physicist Tom Mahood who describes the story as “a guy spinning a crazy story to stay out of jail“. He has written about Lazar on several occasions and debunks thoroughly the science (since I don’t have a physics back ground I’ll leave it to him).

Another modern physicist known as “AlienScientist” has compiled a very impressive list of scientific falsehoods and lies. Here are two resources from his efforts:

My Contribution

What I want to contribute to this trash dump of a UFO topic is comparisons amongst Lazar’s recent Joe Rogan podcast (which attained over 8.6 million views as of this writing), the new autobiography Bob (supposedly) wrote, and Bob’s early claims.

When Lazar is asked “When did you realize the craft was not of earthly origin?” he comes up with two entirely different answers. In an early interview he responds “Well… it probably hit me when I first got inside the craft and looked around.”

But in the Rogan interview he claims he realized it when he casually “walked by the flying saucer” that he “noticed something weird”. Then he says later it was when he spoke to his lab partner Barry and they had sub-components of the craft that were demonstrated.

When Joe asks “what about the reactor made you think it didn’t exist technologically?” he does a 180 and talks about the “briefings” (discussed later) where he had an inkling this would be about ET.

So… which is it Bob? Also, you mean to tell me you saw a flying saucer and touched it, but you didn’t know it was a flying saucer? But when you saw a gravity wave amplifier you knew then it was ET… MKay.

When Rogan asks Bob if any progress was made on figuring out the tech, he claims “we had a rough idea, we think, what was going on” in the propulsion system.

But in the infamous “Lazar Tape” (aka “UFOs and Area 51: The Bob Lazar Video and Excerpts from The Government Bible“) he claims to know exactly how it all works. In this hilarious film, Bob provides absolutely no mathematical proof or science whatsoever. Instead it’s just a clip of him drawing on a whiteboard. It’s truly laughable.

The Problematic Government Briefings

I can’t claim to be completely logical.

Bob Lazar, Dream Land p. 46

What about those briefings that supposedly “queued him in” on the ET connection? Well his story is wildly tamer today (in the autobiography) than it was in the 90s. A comparison:

In “Excerpts from the Government Bible” Bob claims his “indoctrination” (his words) of 120 briefings described “aliens and alien technology” and an overview of the scope of the project. “This technology was brought to earth from Zeta Riticulli 1 and 2 star system. These stars can only be located in the constellation of Riticullum … These beings are from Reticullum 4, the 4th planet out from the star… A day on Riticulum is 90 earth days long”.

He then goes on to describe the aliens as typical grey aliens in UFO mythology. He then goes on to describe a special “numbering system” to which could not be deciphered because it was “alien-encrypted” (lol). He goes on “these aliens said they have been visiting Earth for a long time and presented photographic evidence which they contend was over 10,000 years old.

There was an exchange of hardware and information in Central Nevada until 1979 at which time there was a conflict which brought the project to an abrupt halt. The beings left but where to return at a 1623 date, and I don’t know what that date is. With the remaining hardware and information, the government started the back-engineering program.”

He then goes on to describe that an experiment resulted in an explosion, killing workers so he was hired in December 1988 to replace one of these scientists. Bob discusses that these grey aliens can anesthetize the human body through brain waves, remotely. He also claims that man was a “product of 65 genetic alterations” made by these aliens.

Despite having copious details in the autobiography (“The only sound was the faint hum of the fluorescent lights and the occasional passing of my pen across the page.”), in chapter 2 where the “briefings” are discussed, much of the details provided in the 90s are completely omitted.

Today, Bob says these “briefings” were propaganda by the military so that if this information is leaked, the false information would go out with it, and know where the information came from. Problem: The Lazar Tape takes these briefings as a total reality, providing visuals and painting a picture for the audience.


After spending far too much time on Bob Lazar, I’m going to have to cut this investigation short. I found a lot more I could discuss, but it’s simply not worth my time. For example, the reactor that creates an antigravity field… how is it turned off? That’s not discussed, and as a scientist, you’d think that would be the meat of the novel. In fact, that’s a real red flag; All the “science” discussed in the autobiography is elementary, grade school physics.

And why can this reactor be turned on by a single person “Barry”, when earlier in the novel it was deemed a “dangerous and potentially deadly” device?

These are just a handful of the questions that won’t be answered. I call it a novel because that’s exactly how it reads and because it’s obviously fiction.

What’s important about this story today, and why I spent time on this in the first place, is the credibility of those who perpetrate this myth are at stake. They are the ones to blame for this hoax spreading to 8.6 million viewers on youtube and still even more on Netflix. Those are the people must be held accountable for doing poor research at best, and knowingly perpetrating a fraud at worst. Not to mention the monetary payoff generated by selling books, movies, and television broadcasts.


Special thanks to D. Dean Johnson for providing a plethora of information on this topic, much of which I didn’t add to this post because of time constraints and I don’t think it’s necessary… At this point it’s up to you to decide for yourself by looking at the facts.

Here are some extra points he made, after Jeremy Corbell called those who debunk the Lazar story “uneducated” (link to Twitter thread, with video references):

Jeremy Corbell: “Uneducated people – even on the basics facts – it’s transparent. People making incorrect claims have done nothing to move the needle forward. They parrot the false ideas of others. It’s lazy and tired. All info is out there. @g_knapp and I have both provided it. Time to think.”

M.J. Banias [UFO “journalist”] challenged, “Have you though? You didn’t really address the questions of his criminal activity, education, the defrauded Bigelow company, nor his nefarious financial dealings with his second wife. I’m just curious why all that wasn’t covered in the film?”

Then I (UFO Issue) tweeted, calling @ddeanjohnson

“Uneducated people– even on the basics facts …” Ah, where to begin? How about Mr. Knapp “confid[ing]” that he thinks Lazar lied, and never attended either MIT or Caltech? Too bad that statement didn’t make it into your movie, or into Knapp’s forward to the new book. [attach video clip Knapp in Denmark 2014 saying he thinks Lazar never went to Caltech/MIT.] In the new “autobiography,”Lazar never mentions Caltech, and mentions MIT only once, on page 23, claiming he was sent there while working at Los Alamos (“[I was] grateful to the folks at MESA for sending me to MIT to further my education . . .”).

Impossible timeline, contradicts previous claims to have received Masters from MIT circa 1982 — before going to work at Los Alamos. Contradicts his deflection in the Corbell film, suggesting Los Alamos would not have hired him with only a high school diploma. Here is Lazar himself, at the International UFO Seminar 5-1-93, a rare occasion in which he was exposed to unregulated questions without an enabler at his side. Asked to name Caltech/MIT profs, he named Duxler as Caltech — who was his instructor at Pierce Junior College, and “Hohsfield”–even spelled it correctly–as MIT prof.

Hohsfield was his high-school tech teacher. Lazar’s only degree is from a mail-order mill,closed down shortly thereafter. He is not a physicist. He’s a tech guy who fell in with John Lear, decided he could outdo Billy Meier. It seems that Billy Meier was all the rage in Lear-like circles in 1989. Jerome Clark’s UFO Encyclopedia 3rd Ed. (2018) says (p. 302), “Purely as a commercial enterprise, Meier’s is among the most successful in the history of the contactee movement.” Lazar’s “scout model” is [Schratt drawing comparing Meier-Lazar craft] a near-exact copy of a Meier “beam ship.”

Lazar himself, in interviews of that era, made the comparison repeatedly. In Oct. 5 Rogan podcast, Corbell acknowledged Meier guilty of many hoaxes, but suggests that he was merely trying to recapture earlier authentic experiences. This makes as much sense as believing that govt. agents could erase Lazar from every Caltech and MIT yearbook, etc. [vid of Rogan and Corbell talking about Meier] IMO, Corbell here sought to deflect attention from the strong Meier influence on Lazar’s original story. One of many efforts, in the film and the new book, to polish up the original Lazar story, often through screaming omissions, but also conscious or unconscious revisions. Much more could be said about the new Lazar book, and no doubt will be, in due course. But let’s turn for a moment to “Element 115.”

Lazar claimed the alien craft employed a heavy element with multiple extraordinary properties. Corbell-Knapp claim that the later creation of Element 115 in the lab validates Lazar’s claim. This is nonsense. First of all — and this will come as a surprise to many– Kid Lazar was not even sure how many protons his magical element had! He said: “I was the one who identified 115. That was my only contribution to the project. And I don’t stand on the fact that it’s 115, but if it’s not, it’s 114. It’s right in there.” (interview with author Michael Lindemann, Sept. 22, 1990.)

Second, lab work on such heavy-element creations was described in a prominent article in Scientific American in May, 1989 — the very month that Lazar first told his story to George Knapp. So the lab creation of Element 115 was predicted– but no isotope yet created has a half-life of even one second. [image of Sc American article] Yes, it is theoretically possible that a stable isotope of 115 could exist — but why speculate? In his 2014 Denmark speech, Mr. Knapp said he knew where an actual sample of the stable 115 isotope (with its multiple, magical properties) is located! Mr. Knapp said: “It’s in a spot now where nobody could get to it. But it’s still there. One of these days, maybe after’s Bob’s gone, I’ll go and dig it up.” (10-4-2014) See video, provided under Fair Use doctrine. Mr. Corbell says higher in this thread, “All info is out there. @g_knapp and I have both provided it.”

Yet Mr. Knapp’s own testimony, absolute physical proof of Lazar’s tale exists — a chunk of an isotope of Element 115 which could not have originated on Earth — #boblazar and this absolute physical proof is not in a deep-black government SAP, but at a hidden site known to Mr. Knapp — and presumably, known to Bob Lazar. I’m sure many readers will agree this is the perfect time for them to turn it over to an independent lab for analysis. I fear, however, that such analysis would show that Knapp’s trust in the magical 115 sample was no more well founded that that of Bob Bigelow, many years ago. As Jacques Vallee wrote in 1997: “Bob [Bigelow] once created a company with Bob Lazar, the Zeta Reticuli Corporation, [image of Bigelow-Lazar incorporation document] to exploit the wondrous supposed properties of Element 115. Lazar exhibited a substance that was light, foam-like, and almost weightless, hinting it would revolutionize energy and propulsion. The cooperation only lasted until the day when Bob [Bigelow] noticed a container of Lazar’s secret sauce in a corner and recognized it as a commercial emulsive product!” — (Forbidden Science 4, page 352).

Note that the Vallee quoted above is the legendary “Jacques F**king Vallee,” of whom Mr. Corbell spoke with apparent respect on the Oct. 5 Rogan podcast. Vallee once wrote, “The Lazar-Lear legend, still popular in America, is a little too stupid to be taken seriously in France.” Anyway, in the recent past, Mr. Knapp and Mr. Corbell have spoken publicly about study of various samples that some think are connected with UFOs — here is Corbell talking about such items in the Oct. 5 Rogan podcast — yet, according to Mr. Knapp, their guy Lazar has a sample of the definitively unearthly stable 115 isotope, hidden at a known location. As Mr. Corbell says above, “Time to think.”

I should note that Mr. Corbell, in his movie, has warned that those who express “distrust” of Lazar’s story risk provoking one of two responses. “Does he [Lazar] fade back into the shadows that formed him, or does he lash out to carve his words into your flesh?” Option 1, please. ** Lazar has been caught in many lies, & offers some new (to me) lies in his so-called “autobiography.” Mr. Knapp believes Lazar to be a liar (as he told the Danes), yet produced film and authored book foreword that does not offer that assessment. That’s not journalism. #boblazar